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    Quote Originally Posted by showdownhero View Post
    mate, where's the source of your 50% ICU admission stat?
    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...er-2021-08-20/

    Around half of the country's 600 patients presently hospitalized with severe illness have received two doses of the Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) shot, a rare occurrence out of 5.4 million fully vaccinated people.
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    Health officials in the UK and United States, two other nations with high vaccination rates and a spike in Delta infections, have reported similar trends. In the UK, about 35% of the people hospitalized with a Delta case in recent weeks had received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine. Nearly three-quarters of U.S. breakthrough infections that led to hospitalization or death were among people age 65 or older, according to federal data.
    I understand its not David Koch, but it will have to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Embers View Post
    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...er-2021-08-20/

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    I understand its not David Koch, but it will have to do
    Nearly a month old and completely contradicted by the current Israel Ministry of Health official data which shows only 59 out of 664 active cases in ICU are fully vaccinated (8.8%)



    https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general
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    In the end I was wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Embers View Post
    Im still waiting for someone to answer my question about us opening up with thousands upon thousands of cases

    If we go Israel we have 25,000 cases a day.

    Is Australia opening up with this?
    So you're saying we could have avoided all this arguing if we just answered your question?

    Will aus open up with 25k cases a day at 80% vaccination?
    No.

    Does the vaccine work work?
    Yes but not as perfect as we wish it would

    Does this mean the vaccine doesn't work in aus?
    No but it won't help the reopening in the short term

    Did we all waste time looking at the thread and arguing with embers?
    Yes. Yes. And yes.

    Are you full embers?
    You're so positive you need to be put in ICU on a ventilator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by showdownhero View Post
    Nearly a month old and completely contradicted by the current Israel Ministry of Health official data which shows only 59 out of 664 active cases in ICU are fully vaccinated (8.8%)



    https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general
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    Quote Originally Posted by showdownhero View Post
    Nearly a month old and completely contradicted by the current Israel Ministry of Health official data which shows only 59 out of 664 active cases in ICU are fully vaccinated (8.8%)



    https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general
    Read the T&Cs. Israel do not count people who had 2 doses 6 months ago as vaccinated when in all actuality they are according to us . The number of people in hospital between 0-6 months of double vaccination is the number you are reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogbloke V3 View Post
    So you're saying we could have avoided all this arguing if we just answered your question?

    Will aus open up with 25k cases a day at 80% vaccination?
    No.

    Does the vaccine work work?
    Yes but not as perfect as we wish it would

    Does this mean the vaccine doesn't work in aus?
    No but it won't help the reopening in the short term

    Did we all waste time looking at the thread and arguing with embers?
    Yes. Yes. And yes.

    Are you full embers?
    You're so positive you need to be put in ICU on a ventilator.
    Then I am correct? What are we arguing about then?

    Maybe the last part that needs answering also is

    Do the results of the vaccine justify the significant investment in it given that this was the focus in health expenditure in this timeframe?

    People like softcockhero would rather go on unrelated tangents using BS stats then admit I am correct. Its sad at this point
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    Imagine adding 4% to a total (patients to NSW hospital beds) and 8% (patients to ICU beds) and blaming that for a crisis breaking point in a system?

    If you ran a business and they told you that if we lose 4% of our revenue we are screwed, you are probably shithouse at running said business arnt you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Embers View Post
    Read the T&Cs. Israel do not count people who had 2 doses 6 months ago as vaccinated when in all actuality they are according to us . The number of people in hospital between 0-6 months of double vaccination is the number you are reading.
    You're correct they recently changed their definition of full vaccinated to 3 shots. Got some bad news for you though chief, the full and partial ICU admissions rate is still only 25%.
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    In the end I was wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by showdownhero View Post
    You're correct they recently changed their definition of full vaccinated to 3 shots. Got some bad news for you though chief, the full and partial ICU admissions rate is still only 25%.
    Read.The.T&Cs ffs

    Not hard

    Thats just flat out incorrect and im assuming but maybe at this point you know it but wont admit it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Embers View Post
    Read.The.T&Cs ffs

    Not hard

    Thats just flat out incorrect and im assuming but maybe at this point you know it but wont admit it?
    I've read the "T&Cs", perhaps you should too


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    In the end I was wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Embers View Post
    What are we arguing about then?
    Good fucking question
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    Death Riding Civilization: The RZ Coronavirus Thread

    Ironic NSW only letting fully vaxed cunts at 70% into pubs and shit.

    The under 40’s have prime years ruined and get locked up for two years and back of the queue for vaccine to protect the old cunts from the plague then less than 40% of the under 40’s will even have the opportunity to be fully vaxed by then while the boomers at like 80-90% first to be back out enjoying relaxation of rules.

    Makes sense but these cunts never miss a trick.


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    Death Riding Civilization: The RZ Coronavirus Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by fender View Post
    Ironic NSW only letting fully vaxed cunts at 70% into pubs and shit.

    The under 40’s have prime years ruined and get locked up for two years and back of the queue for vaccine to protect the old cunts from the plague then less than 40% of the under 40’s will even have the opportunity to be fully vaxed by then while the boomers at like 80-90% first to be back out enjoying relaxation of rules.

    Makes sense but these cunts never miss a trick.


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    should have spread this shit like wildfire and wiped them all out


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    Think the Cats performance last Friday would've been noted as cause of death for poor old Narkee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeah_nah View Post
    Good fucking question
    Pretty much.

    Everyone seems to agree with my point of view bar softcockhero who seems to think he can be a hypocrite and everything will be okay

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    Quote Originally Posted by fender View Post
    Ironic NSW only letting fully vaxed cunts at 70% into pubs and shit.

    The under 40’s have prime years ruined and get locked up for two years and back of the queue for vaccine to protect the old cunts from the plague then less than 40% of the under 40’s will even have the opportunity to be fully vaxed by then while the boomers at like 80-90% first to be back out enjoying relaxation of rules.

    Makes sense but these cunts never miss a trick.


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    Not to mention we will open up in December when vaccine efficacy is worn off for that over 60s lot too. Thats if you actually believe that opening up in December will actually happen? Even the most optimistic person on Earth should be able to see now we wont open up until everyone has a third booster, which given the supply issues wouldnt happen til March-July 2022

    2 years to flatten the curve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Embers View Post
    Not to mention we will open up in December when vaccine efficacy is worn off for that over 60s lot too. Thats if you actually believe that opening up in December will actually happen? Even the most optimistic person on Earth should be able to see now we wont open up until everyone has a third booster, which given the supply issues wouldnt happen til March-July 2022

    2 years to flatten the curve
    AstraZeneca effectiveness doesn't wear off at the same rate as Pfizer.
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    Death Riding Civilization: The RZ Coronavirus Thread

    It doesn’t matter anyway we are nearing on 2m vaccine a week capability nationwide and supply shouldn’t/won’t be an issue.

    Boosters for 40+/low immune Pfizer to begin with(November/December), AZ who knows how long it last and hopefully they can tweak future MRNA to get a longer/better immune response like they had against Alpha or we roll out AZ/Nova boosters.

    Should have enough coverage to deal with it comfortably enough. Moderna we should have 15m of booster specific doses.

    The majority of the population isn’t going to have any drop in effectiveness til March next year and then it’s not a cliff.

    Almost certain we will be open to vaccinated countries/people by March next year.

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    With NSW starting the process of killing hotel quarantine, seems like just a matter of time before Victoria does the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fender View Post
    It doesn’t matter anyway we are nearing on 2m vaccine a week capability nationwide and supply shouldn’t/won’t be an issue.

    Boosters for 40+/low immune Pfizer to begin with(November/December), AZ who knows how long it last and hopefully they can tweak future MRNA to get a longer/better immune response like they had against Alpha or we roll out AZ/Nova boosters.

    Should have enough coverage to deal with it comfortably enough. Moderna we should have 15m of booster specific doses.

    The majority of the population isn’t going to have any drop in effectiveness til March next year and then it’s not a cliff.

    Almost certain we will be open to vaccinated countries/people by March next year.

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    Who is we?

    Ill bet every cent I have the grander We wont. NSW is a maybe (more unlikely though) but WA/SA/TAS are not opening up in March next year and id say not March in 2025 too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by showdownhero View Post
    With NSW starting the process of killing hotel quarantine, seems like just a matter of time before Victoria does the same.

    Imagine sititng in quarantine in complete isolation looking down at 10s of thousands of people walking the streets in protest?

    The irony is fantastic

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    it was bound to happen at one stage.

    It has happened(protests + riots) in nearly every place in the last year regarding lockdowns and vaccines. Do lol at people trying to paint them all as right-wing extremists. I am sure some of them are, but there is also an element of working-class backlash, which get hit the hardest by a lockdown.

    The Victorian elections should be interesting. could be some strange results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fender View Post
    The other night I had someone saying to me they were hesitant about the long term effects of the vaccine, while puffing on their vape, with a freshly microwaved plate on the table.

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