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    The most vaccinated country in the world in Israel now has the most active cases in the world per capita too

    The health industry is getting mandatory vaccines why? It seems like we should be following the exact opposite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Embers View Post
    The most vaccinated country in the world in Israel now has the most active cases in the world per capita too

    The health industry is getting mandatory vaccines why? It seems like we should be following the exact opposite
    Who cares how many cases there are in a well vaccinated population, hospitalisations are deaths are what matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by showdownhero View Post
    Who cares how many cases there are in a well vaccinated population, hospitalisations are deaths are what matters

    Mark McGowan, Dan Andrews, Anastaisa Palazczuk, Steve Marshall and basically any politician in Australia?

    Your magical goal post move that is outside of our reality isnt something im interested in.

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    You highlighted the first part but ignored the "well vaccinated population" part.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Embers View Post
    Mark McGowan, Dan Andrews, Anastaisa Palazczuk, Steve Marshall and basically any politician in Australia?

    Your magical goal post move that is outside of our reality isnt something im interested in.
    You're the one shifting the goal posts dipshit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamblor View Post
    You highlighted the first part but ignored the "well vaccinated population" part.

    Read the National Cabinet plan. It is entirely about cases and not hospitilsations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by showdownhero View Post
    You're the one shifting the goal posts dipshit
    Im talking about the stat Australia focuses on. You are bringing up ones we do not focus or care about. You are moving the topic of discussion to suit a agenda that doesnt exist.

    If you think Steve Marshall is living with 2500+ cases a day (per capita with Israel) you have lost the plot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Embers View Post
    Im talking about the stat Australia focuses on. You are bringing up ones we do not focus or care about. You are moving the topic of discussion to suit a agenda that doesnt exist.

    If you think Steve Marshall is living with 2500+ cases a day (per capita with Israel) you have lost the plot
    No, what you brought up is Israel has a lot of cases, therefore vaccines don't work and health workers shouldn't use them.

    Which is some A+ smooth brain shit, even by your lofty standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by showdownhero View Post
    No, what you brought up is Israel has a lot of cases, therefore vaccines don't work and health workers shouldn't use them.

    Which is some A+ smooth brain shit, even by your lofty standards.
    It doesnt stop the spread of a virus which is the justification for for forcing them taking it? If anything it increases the spread it appears. If the most vaccinated country has the highest spread what does it say about the vaccine?

    What are you missing?

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    If Israels stats do not matter, answer me this

    If Western Australia had 5000 cases in a day, what would we do when we are 80% vaccinated? Anyone want to guess?
    If NSW had 15000 cases in a day, how about them?
    What about Dan Andrews at 12,000. Just a small 6000% increase from todays numbers?
    Steve Marshall at 33500?

    Get out of Dreamland guys

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    Death Riding Civilization: The RZ Coronavirus Thread

    Israel not even top 20 vaccinated (60%) and was also the early pilot location for Pfizer so probably some waning protection.

    That is whole population % as well. Australiaís 80% is 63%. Although the under 12ís are 15% of total pop so max we could get to is 85% unless they are approved.

    Hasnít been much clarification around what restrictions would be in place at the 80% mark as the Doherty report expects only 50,000 symptomatic infections in six months at that point with decent Testing and Quarantine still holding up.

    That seems very very very optimistic considering the case growth what we are seeing in NSW at just 1k cases a day and what is happening a round the world. (With a lack of evidence/info otherwise) the restrictions at 80% as per Scomo seem to be wash your hands and donít cough on people as per UK.

    Delta looks to be a no win situation now but the other states not wanting to exactly let it rip at 63% and get to the 30,000 cases a day. The vaccines donít appear to be as good against Delta transmission as the original strain. Stopping transmission was sort of an added bonus but the infectivity of the mutations throws a spanner in the works for any herd immunity.

    IMO it seems the premiers all agreed to the national plan with the expectation covid cases would be somewhat under control and there would be a gradual easing of restrictions (maybe there will be but hasnít been any indication of this at 80%). Singapore still has quite strong restrictions and are at over 80% total population now not our planned 63%.

    The reality now is NSW suppression is a lost cause if vaccines donít start to significantly drive down transmission and if restrictions are relaxed at 70% and 80% there it will be a month or so ramp up to before the other states hit 80% and are expected to open their borders.

    Not sure what the answer is but seems we have come full circle to March 2020 and Scomo is off the footy and getting his Johnson/Trump response he had wanted last year now to the reopening while the states health officers take a more conservative outlook which is basically in step with what they have done for 18 months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fender View Post
    Israel not even top 20 vaccinated (60%) and was also the early pilot location for Pfizer so probably some waning protection.

    That is whole population % as well. Australia’s 80% is 63%. Although the under 12’s are 15% of total pop so max we could get to is 85% unless they are approved.

    Hasn’t been much clarification around what restrictions would be in place at the 80% mark as the Doherty report expects only 50,000 symptomatic infections in six months at that point with decent Testing and Quarantine still holding up.

    That seems very very very optimistic considering the case growth what we are seeing in NSW at just 1k cases a day and what is happening a round the world. (With a lack of evidence/info otherwise) the restrictions at 80% as per Scomo seem to be wash your hands and don’t cough on people as per UK.

    Delta looks to be a no win situation now but the other states not wanting to exactly let it rip at 63% and get to the 30,000 cases a day. The vaccines don’t appear to be as good against Delta transmission as the original strain. Stopping transmission was sort of an added bonus but the infectivity of the mutations throws a spanner in the works for any herd immunity.

    IMO it seems the premiers all agreed to the national plan with the expectation covid cases would be somewhat under control and there would be a gradual easing of restrictions (maybe there will be but hasn’t been any indication of this at 80%). Singapore still has quite strong restrictions and are at over 80% total population now not our 63%.

    The reality now is NSW suppression is a lost cause if vaccines don’t start to significantly drive down transmission and if restrictions are relaxed at 70% and 80% there it will be a month or so ramp up to before the other states hit 80% and are expected to open their borders.

    Not sure what the answer is but seems we have come full circle to March 2020 and Scomo is off the footy and getting his Johnson/Trump response he had wanted last year now to the reopening while the states health officers take a more conservative outlook which is basically in step with what they have done for 18 months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Embers View Post
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    Iím basically agreeing with you that the premiers wonít accept those case numbers (and hospitalization and deaths) so thatís a pretty sure sign Iíve gone off the deep end.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fender View Post
    I’m basically agreeing with you that the premiers won’t accept those case numbers (and hospitalization and deaths) so that’s a pretty sure sign I’ve gone off the deep end.


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    Mate it feels like you are trying to convince yourself otherwise unless I have read that wrong?

    I dont get it, there is no otherwise. Stop trying to convince yourself. Its a waste of energy. We are in lockdown permanently at this stage. Unless a new vaccine comes along, this is it
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    Its getting hard to respond to the Premiers cult is all, Very tiresome. I think Dan Andrews could put cyanide in the water supply and be labelled a hero by most

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    I actually have no idea what you are even talking about anymore Embers.

    Do you think we shouldn't be vaccinated now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trigg View Post
    I actually have no idea what you are even talking about anymore Embers.

    Do you think we shouldn't be vaccinated now?
    At the expense of investing in hospitals. 100% no. Not until a vaccination exists that actually works at a appropriate level

    What would make you think a vaccination that works 60% of the time is a better answer then investment in the health industry as a whole?

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    So do you disagree that the vaccine lowers the hospitalisation rate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trigg View Post
    So do you disagree that the vaccine lowers the hospitalisation rate?
    I dont think it matters as much as you think

    Why are you pigeon holing a entire industry into 1 hospitilsation type?

    W.A has our highest ever hospitilsation rates ever and we have 0 Covid cases. Why would we not fix that first and foremost? Literally not a single thing is being done about it. The investment is still non existent.

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    The Pfizer vaccine costs $20 and AZ like $5( + some costs to administer it as well) so like $700m for the whole population round up to a couple of billion to be generous.

    The healthcare system is over $200bill a year, 60b on public hospitals alone.

    The hospitals are fucked already an extra couple of hundred extra people in each of them a day are really going to do them wonders, $2b ainít going to fix shit.

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